August 22, 2007 - Msg 55168:
"Sorry constable, I thought i was playin' it kinda 'quaint'"
This morning at 12:01 AM it was still 106 in Phoenix area! We had a new record low, yes I said LOW, of 96 degrees. 113 yesterday and today, but there is virtually no wind to even slightly 'cool' things down
B00- regarding your comment on the times. True, we may worry too much, but these are still very different times today. For example, there are no more paper routes for kids on bikes here in the Phx area. It is all auto-routes now because it is just too dangerous for kids. Hopefully, your area of Corpus may be more kid friendly.
Also, just one small example, if i may: 40 years ago we did not have africanized bees, those that attack at the slightest disturbance, now we do; and it is hard to tell which hives are which kinds of bees. Now, to carry that analogy out further, it seems like our culture has become somewhat 'africanized.'
Yet, at the same time, we must not fret it everyday, but indeed ask God's blessing and protection, and proceed with, and live life!
My prayers are with you in your decision with Sean. He has a good head on his shoulders!
I used to ride my bike everywhere, but I also knew not to disturb any beehives, and back then, even 'reglur' bees still stung! ha
Prayers for all the porch.
MDC
August 22, 2007 - Msg 55169:
Wow, i swept! mdc
August 22, 2007 - Msg 55170: Achoo - thanks for all of the dust bunnies MDC!

hm
August 22, 2007 - Msg 55171: Boo,

thank you for letting me know about Romeena. i'll hope to hear from her when she gets back.

God bless all you porchsters today! :)
August 22, 2007 - Msg 55172: Good afternoon, all. I'm on my son's laptop, with a very shaky dial-up connection - seems this part of Florida hasn't caught up with the internet just yet, at least not in this house we're renting. No wi-fi, for sure.

I've read the posts up to date, and cannot find words to express my gratitude to you all for your kindness and expressions of sympathy regarding the loss of my little Plum. Poor Horatio, your tribute on that website is beautiful, and I thank you so much. Needless to say, my heart is still broken, and will be for some time, I'm sure. She was such a special little creature, loved by all, and I miss her terribly. I don't want to go home, knowing she won't be there.

Now here's a shocker. I've put a deposit down on another Maltese puppy, will be able to get her in early November. She won't be Sugarplum, but she'll be someone, and I'll learn to love her very much, I'm sure. One thing the Plum taught me is that I need a little companion if I'm to exist on this planet. I loved that little dog beyond all reason, and it's inconceivable to me that she's gone. The only thing that keeps me going is the thing that's expressed in Poor Horatio's tribute - the idea that she's waiting and I'll see her again. I told her just before she passed to go and find her daddy, and I'm sure he was waiting for her. He loved her very much.

Daphne, I'll be in touch after I get home. Sounds like a good idea to me!

Well, I'd better go before this connection dies. Have a great day, folks. --Romeena
August 22, 2007 - Msg 55173:
Regis-While you addressed M-T if you don't mind, I'd like to jump in. Because the southern populace thought that northern troops were "no different than the tyranny of King George that their grandfathers faced 80 years previous" does not make it so. Our leaders, in particular our Founders, knew that someday we would go to war to end or entrench slavery, Jefferson, Washington, and Madison all knew, 70 years before the battle took place. Between 1788 until 1860, only two opponents of slavery, John Adams and John Quincy Adams, were elected Presidents. Slave owners held the office for fifty of those seventy-two years. The Civil War was simply put on hold. Like you said economics played a part but I think it was just a co-staring role. I'm a hillbilly also, the hills of Western New York, NY and New Jersey dragged their feet quite a bit in the 1780s regarding emancipation. Parts of NY and NJ were very much in step with the South. Thanks for the invite maybe I'll stop by Miss Crump's.

auh2o
August 22, 2007 - Msg 55174:
Boo-Oh yeah, we've seen "Elf" funny! "Have you seen these toilets? They're GINORMOUS!"

MDC- 113 degrees wow, now that's crazy. I do remember the "Bob Newhart Show" episode. Now that was a good show.

auh2o
August 22, 2007 - Msg 55175: Hey auh2o! You are correct that their thinking so did not make it so...never said it did...but there is no denying that it was important enough to them to convince them to go to war. Whether one's motives are right or wrong, if they move one to take action, then logically those motives must be considered a cause of that action. That was the point I was trying to make.

Come on over to Miss Crumps and we'll discuss further.

Regis
August 22, 2007 - Msg 55176: So good to hear from you, Romeena and I am rejoicing that you have decided to get another pup in November. I have already been praying for the right pup for you. Prayers for you, too. Love ya,

Boo


August 22, 2007 - Msg 55177:
Trouble check
August 22, 2007 - Msg 55178: Hello everyone.

To unsigned Msg 55100, regarding your warning about Mayberrys Finest Foods, their web site at http://www.mayberrysfinest.com/fixins.html displays their product line. And looking at the label on their product, I see photographic images of Andy Taylor, Aunt Bee and Opie. And according to http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=603030, "in an effort to appeal to die-hard fans around the country who are connected by more than 1,300 Rerun Watchers Clubs, packaging will link each product to a show character and include humorous script excerpts, episode numbers and original air dates." How can they do that legally without proper authorization?

To Romeena, I'm glad you had some time to update us. Also, I'm glad you like that Dogs-Go-To-Heaven memorial tribute. Have you picked out a new name for your new pet? Feel free to request suggestions from your friends here.

from Poor Horatio
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55179: Regarding the discussion or moulage about the causes leading up to the Civil War, here is what I know.
A major reason was tariffs (taxes on imports). During the early part of our country’s history, we relied heavily on imported goods and raw materials from Europe. However, as our own new manufacturing industries began to grow, it was hard to compete with those lower costing imports. So in 1816, Congress passed the first tariff on European imported goods. Tariffs were increased again in 1824 and 1828. These tariffs were welcomed by the North since their economy was primarily based upon manufacturing industries. However, since the Southern economy was based upon agricultural, they were more dependent upon European imports, especially for cotton. In trying to please the South, Congress reduced the tariffs in 1832. However, the South was still dissatisfied and threatened to secede from the Union. Additional tariff reduction in 1833 cooled tempers in the South. Then in 1857, Congress lowered the tariffs to their pre-1816 rates. Although this pleased the South, it angered the North. A compromise satisfactory to both sides could not be reached.
Another issue involved the rights of government. The North believed that federal law had to be followed by all states and that if there was a conflict with a state law, the federal law overruled. The South wanted the states to have more power by deciding what federal laws they chose to follow and ignore.
Slavery was another major reason. The talk about abolishing slavery dated back to the Revolutionary War. Vermont became the first to abolish slavery in 1777. In 1794 when Eli Whitney introduced the Cotton Gin, that made cotton production profitable for the first time. As a direct result, the demand for slave workers to pick the cotton increased significantly. By 1830, census figures confirmed that in some Southern states, slaves comprised 50% of the population whereas they were barely measurable in most Northern states. In the meantime, the Underground Railroad was assisting slaves to escape, reporters and writers were producing anti-slavery literature, and demonstrations and riots were occurring more frequently. This upset the Southern states.
Abraham Lincoln was a Northern sympathizer and against slavery. After he was elected president in November 1860, South Carolina became the first southern state to secede from the Union. In the following weeks, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas also seceded. In February 1861, the newly formed Confederate States of America demanded that the Federal Government surrender all military forts located in the states that seceded. When that demand was refused, the South began to block supply routes to these forts. In April 1861, the South attacked Fort Sumter in South Carolina, and that began the Civil War.

from Poor Horatio
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55180: Students, there is no homework for tonight. But there will be a quiz tomorrow.

from Poor Horatio
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55181: Romeena, Good to hear from you. I am glad to hear about your decision to get a companion. Besr of wishes to you.
Breakfast is at my house this morning: eggs over easy or scrambled, pancakes,grits, hash browns, link sausage, bacon, country ham with red eye gravy,pear preserves,and buttermilk biscuits. YA'LL COME.
BIG JERRY
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55182: Why Big Jerry, that sounds like a fine breakfast indeed. I'm there.

Romeena, good to hear from you and that makes me smile big time to read your getting another furkid. You have way to much love in your heart to not have one. You have treasured memories of Sugarplum now and can build new memories with your newest addition.

Asa
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55183: Hey Poor Horatio. Actually the south's economy was dependent on exports to England, where they could get more money for their cotton, although they (as well as many northerners) did like the advantage of getting cheaper imported textiles, just like we do today. The northern textile mills did not want to pay the same as the English mills, therefore the southern farmers sold their cotton to the highest bidder, as most farmers do even today. As far as tarriffs, The “Tariff of Abominations” effectively placed a 62% tax on 92% of all the textile goods imported to the United States! I have never read where the congress did anything to lower this to "appease the south" but they may very well have. If you can point me toward documentation of that I will be greatful as I am always interested in knowing the true facts of the war. Regarding Lincoln, yes, he was personally against slavery but he stated many times that he felt slavery was allowed per the constitution...which he took an oath to uphold. His main object was not to free the slaves but to preserve the union of the nation at all costs. After his election but prior to his innauguration, he was very silent on the topic of slavery. This allowed radical Republicans in government to attribute many states to him that he did not make...statements that inflamed the southern Democrats. Still Lincoln remained silent and said nothing about his views. By the time he took office the fires of secession were burning strong. In his innaugural address he made it clear that his purpose was not to free the slaves but to preserve the union. One again in 1862 (well after the war had started) he stated ….“ My paramount objective in this struggle is to save the Union and is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.” The war was going badly for the north early on and Lincoln needed something to gain support of the citizens for a war that was hitting close to home. He seized the moral high ground in preparing the emancipation proclomation but did not issue it until he felt his troops won somewhat of a victory at Sharpsburg in September, 1862. Even then, the proclomation did nothing to free those slaves in Union controlled territory, but only those in states still "in rebellion" at that date. Some hold that Lincoln was a saint, some say he was the a demon. I think he was neither but simply a man that was caught in a meat grinder that would consume the rest of his life and lead ultimately to his death. The worst thing that happened to the south near the end of the war was the assassination of Lincoln..who wanted to heal the wounds of war and reunite the nation with the hand of friendship rather the retribution.


This will be my final post here regarding the war as I did not mean to come here and consume so much space on a board that is filled with so much caring and loving support for one another (which I admire). If anyone would like to discuss the war more, please stop by Miss Crumps and go to the history section. I will depart with one final word of caution to those that study the war. The victor in any conflict has the priviledge of writing the history of that conflict as they see fit. The loser usually writes another version much different than the winner. I figure the truth lies somewhere in the middle of those two versions. I always caution people that I teach about the war to read accounts from both sides as well as historical documents from before, during, and after the war and then develope their own opinions based on fact...NOT one of today's modern sanitized politically correct textbook versions of the war. I feel that if we allow those that twist the truth about the war to serve their own political agenda or to satisfy the monster of "political correctness" then we do not only a disservice to our kids, whom it is our responsibility to instruct in the truth about history, but we also dishonor the memory of all those brave individuals from both sides of the Mason Dixon Line that fought and died for the ideals they held dearly. Don't ever forget that more Americans died in the War Between the States than all of our other wars combined...because no matter which side they fought on, they were still Americans.

Thanks for allowing me to post. I will now move back over to Miss Crumps. I truly appreciate the ideas and imput you folks have posted on this subject.

Regis

August 23, 2007 - Msg 55184: Hey Poor Horatio, maybe we could start a history club...How about, "The Mayberry Minute Men"? Anyone who doesn't learn his history is British...."Will you help us...uh, I mean them?"..(isn't that the way that episode went?).
I love it!

See ya at breakfast, Big Jerry.

Boo


August 23, 2007 - Msg 55185: Good morning everyone. Still raning here.

Wow! That Civil War things still does cause wrinkles, huh? I won't weigh in except to say I agree with about 60% of what REGIS said, 95% of what AUH2O said, and about 95% of what HORATIO said. You know, he's pretty smart for half a boy. Maybe I'll visit Miss Crumps sometime. But I don't usually do a lot of history unless I'm getting paid ;).

BOO: This year does mark the 400th anniversary of the founding of Jamestown. I don't want to be British (but guys with that accent do usually get the girl...).

ROMEENA: It is great to hear from you. I think it's swell that you're getting a new friend. Take good care.

JERRY: That'll lay on yer chest.

HM: Another drive-by post? Set a spell!

Me-They
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55186: Romeena - I am so glad that you are getting a new little furkid. I was thinking the other day that Plum and your husband were probably getting along famously in heaven. What a wonderful scene to imagine. :)

School is really burdensome this year. I am travelling alot and do not have time to sit other than in my car travelling. I get really tired at the end of the day so my computer time is limited.

I am so glad that your kids have found a wonderful school to go to Boo. I am glad that the staff is supportive of the children's learning. Erin should have lots of stickers on her paper and smiley faces too!

I like the History club idea. Although I wouldn't have time to comment. I love good debates!

Thanks for the breakfast Big Jer - Asa volunteered for kitchen detail. He's real good with paperplates! He tends to be clumsy and break the chinette!

See you all on the funny pages!

homemaker
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55187: BTW - MDC, it's way tooo hot to cut wood now, but I'll call you when I need you. I'll make sure I will put on my "Ring Sara" list.

hm
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55188: Yep, those british accents are nice...

Thanks Homemaker, I hope things continue to go well at the new school. It really has been like a breath of fresh air so far and the kids don't moan and groan when it's time to go to school (of course it's only the first week!).

Yesterday one of my sister's best friends died suddenly and I am trying to help her, since I have been through the same thing recently. I feel so sorry for her. Her church is really hurting right now over the loss of one of it's more cherished members.

Things to do....

Boo
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55189: that should have said, "most cherished members"...doesn't quite sound right the other way.

Boo
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55190: Hi All. Who true the heat back up, it going to be in the 90-95 here from now to Sunday .

Boo- sorry to heard about your sister's friend passing.
My prayer for her and the friend.
Romeen- that nice that you are going to git a new little friend.

TOM

August 23, 2007 - Msg 55191: Thanks TOM, I appreciate it. Hope things cool down for you soon.

Boo
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55192: Good Morning Porch,
Romeena- Thank you for checking in. That's so wonderful that you'll get a new little one. You'll need to prepare, so that should give you something to look forward to when you return.
Tom- It's hot here in GA also. The heat index is supposed to be 108. In my humble opinion, MDC can keep that kind of weather!
Boo- I'm sorry for your sisters friend. It's wonderful though that since you've just experienced that kind of pain you'll know exactly how to help her. The Lord works that way, ya know.
Homemaker- I sit in a car for 3 hours a day and that's enough for me. Just think though of all of the children you are helping by doing your job!
Big Jerry- I'm sorry to sound so blunt, but with a unisex name like Jerry, are you of the Andy or Helen persuasion? Thanks for breakfast anyhow.
Spot- Saw in the paper on Sunday that EMC is really stepping up corporately. Does that affect you?
As I was reading the posts on the War of Northern Aggression (teehee) I also thought of the Mayberry Minutemen. I love that ep also. I am a proud Southerner (born in Ky and live in Ga), but I am not proud of slavery. On Last Comic Standing last night there was a fella from NC that said if hispanics had come during the slave times the africans would never have come. It was so funny how he put that Jose, his wife, and MIL would do the work of 200 picking cotton. That's all I have to say about the War, except that I love the clothes Scarlett wore before the burning of Atlanta and that it's sad that Atlanta's older homes were destroyed by Sherman.
I went to the doctor today, and since it was at my husbands office they tried to just give me vitamins. I finally got fed up and said if you don't give me some real pharmacy cough medicine then I'm going to have a humongous hissy fit right now. They did, and I didn't. So, tonight hubby and I will hopefully finally have a cough free night of sleep-the 1st in 2 weeks.
Have a Mayberry day!
Blessings to you and yours,
~lucy


August 23, 2007 - Msg 55193: To Regis Msg 55183, read the third paragraph at http://www.teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=1137 and you will learn that in the four years after the 1828 tariff law was passed, there was less interest in restricting imports and "a strong desire to make some concession to the growing opposition of the South". So a new tariff law was passed in 1832 primarily to please the South. And in the seventh paragraph, it states that the South still was not satisfied, so additional tariff reductions were necessary.
As for Abraham Lincoln and the issue of slavery, in some of his early writings he did give the impression that he was anti-slavery. Check out http://www.nps.gov/archive/liho/slavery/al01.htm for some examples of his quotes.
Finally, thanks for correcting my mistake about cotton. Cotton was a major export of the South, not an import from England.

To Me-They Msg 55185, thanks for that kind compliment.

from Poor Horatio
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55194: Lucy, Nothing wrong with blunt. I be of the Andy persuasion.
BIG JERRY
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55195:
Hey Folks

Poor Horatio, M-T, Regis-I love the discussion and I'll add my last bit to you folks on it. I never once meant to suggest that only the North had the moral high ground on this matter. Slavery was an institution brought here while we were under British rule. An a lot of credit should be given to people from the South and North that realized, at our Nation's conception, that slavery had to be done away with. After all, it was human bondage and completely asymmetrical to our Founding as well as our Declaration of Independence. Like we've all alluded to, the Founders knew slavery was doomed for extinction. And simply to own a slave was an economic statement. So, that the Civil War was in part fought for economical reasons appears to be a secondary element of the battle. I guess, what I mean is to own, sell, pay tax on slave produced products, or to trade a slave, this was all done for economic purposes. If the war was inevitable, economics had it's role. However, at the end of the day, human bondage is human bondage and right is right.

Regis-I did stop by Miss Crumps yesterday and I got lost in the halls. I stop by again. Great to meet you.

homemaker-I hope your school days even out for you.

Tom-I hope you have some A.C.

auh2o
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55196: Auh20- no A,C. JUST LITTLE BOX FAN.

TOM

August 23, 2007 - Msg 55197: Hey Y'all- I am a Southerner married to a Yankee and I'm not getting into that moulage!

Do y'all remember last year and all of the mess I was having with my mother & sister? Well,they are at it again. Oh,and of course,everything is MY fault.Now the BOTH of them are on heavy duty pain pills and out of their heads the majority of the time. My mom told me not to come over there any more. Yes,my own mama said that. I haven't had any contact with her since. I am done with my sister and her ranting,cursing,and lies.I slap them in the face with the TRUTH,which they can't stand to hear. That's why I'm the bad guy,always in the wrong.
This all happened about the time we lost Sugarplum,so I've been quiet about it,though I have been so sad and hurt. Will y'all keep me (and them) in your prayers?
Sorry to be such a downer.Y'all ARE family to me and I needed to tell you.Love to all.
*******************
possum under a rock
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55198: BOO: Sorry to hear about your sister's friend. Prayers.

AUH2O, REGIS & HORATIO: Okay, I will comment after all...Just to muddy the water, I will add that you have to add the element of racial prejudice into the mix. After becoming a country, it became increasingly difficult to justify slavery on merely economic grounds; that didn't really sell well to rank and file. Slave-owners and those with a stake in the system had to justify it with increasingly racial overtones: that blacks were inherently inferior to whites. That can be seen in all the colonies, to some extent. In the North, it sounded real good to laborers who competed with blacks for jobs (lynchings even happened in New York City). In the South, it sounded good to landless whites and poor farmers who did the same. They could figure, hey, I'm poor, white and landless, but at least I'm not black. (And remember, only those who owned land could vote in much of the U.S. for a long while so owning land was a pretty big deal.) Rights that had been afforded to free blacks since colonial days were slowly erroded or taken away completely as a result. Here in Maryland, for instance, free landowning blacks could actually vote in state elections until about 1800. After that time, they were disenfranchised. And remember Chief Justice Taney's "constitutional" opinion that blacks were inferior and could never be citizens? Top that off with the fact that blacks made up a major part of the population of the South. In fact there were many counties in the pre-Civil war South were blacks far outnumbered whites. However, the overwhelming majority of them were held in slavery (and some southern states had laws designed to push free blacks out of state or risk being sold into term slavery). Slaveowners, the real power in the South, promised a veritable h-e-doubletoothpicks on earth should the slaves be freed. Antebellum newspaper accounts detailing the horrors that could be expected by unshackling the inferior black race were widespread. After being sold this bill of goods for over half a century, Southerners were convinced that this question should be left to them and were actually fearful of the alternative consequences. So, pride, honor, and fear may have combined to spur the typical soldier to pick up his gun in defense of his home state, but, undeniably, slavery was at the heart of war.

Me-They
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55199: Y'all snuck in on me. Prayers for you, POSSUM. And I hope your weather breaks soon TOM.

M-T
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55200: Good morning, all. The connection is working pretty well this morning, if I can just get used to this laptop keyboard. Very different. Email works fine for incoming, but outgoing seems to choke it for some reason. Weird. So, to those who have sent such lovely messages (thanks, Tom, for that beautiful poem) please forgive me for not replying. I've written the replies, but then they won't "send".

Regarding the new puppy, I think the timing is probably about right. Sugarplum is still in the forefront of my mind. I need time to get her safely tucked into my heart, before I try to form a bond with a new puppy. I do feel I was led to this little girl - I contacted some dear church friends who recently got a Maltese pup, and got the breeder's name from them. The breeder is less than an hour from where I live, not very far from my son's house. She had three female puppies, two already secured by a deposit, and one whose deposit was supposed to be in the mail. After our phone conversation, the breeder said she would wait one more day for the deposit and if it didn't come, the puppy was mine because she felt like after talking to me that it would have a better home with me anyway! That made me feel very good. The next day she called and said I could have her.

She sent a picture of her at age two days - about the size of a stick of butter - and my first response was "Oh, my stars!" My comadre heard me and said that should be the puppy's name. So I will probably register her as "Oh, My Starrs" and will call her Starr. However, her mother's call name is "Wish", so I may register her as "Wish Upon A Starr". Either way, I will call her Starr.

I feel like the world's biggest hypocrite. I'm all in favor of rescues, and shelter adoptions, and encourage people to do it. Then I go and buy a registered dog. My only excuse is that I am so in love with Maltese, and because I take my baby with me when I travel, she really needs to be tiny and light to carry. I adore the Maltese appearance, and their temperament is perfection. To be certain of getting all of that, you almost have to go with purebred. I know, there are exceptions, but if I get a rescue, even a Maltese rescue, I can't be sure of the traits being there. Then once you get a puppy and fall in love, and it grows too large to fit in an airline under-seat carrier, what do you do? So, I pay the price, bear the guilty feelings, and do what I must to be sure I have the dog that fits my needs. I give to the ASPCA and the Humane Society, I take food to the local shelter and save my newspapers for them to shred for bedding, all old towels, blankets and rugs go to them, and I volunteer there now and then, bathing dogs and doing whatever I can. Then I go home to my little purebred frou-frou. Go figure.

Well, the group is about to head for the beach, so guess I'll go too. May not stay down there too long, it's hotter than hades, and I do not put my body in the surf. Not my thing. I enjoy the beach, love to watch the surf, but don't like to get in it. There have been several jellyfish stings, and I don't see much point in risking that.

Thanks for the prayers, friends. I have needed them. This has been very hard. I loved that sweet little Sugarplum. --Romeena
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55201: Hello porch, Good to see such an interesting disscustion on the War. I've been doing ancestry searching in that time. Great-great Grandmother was from Virginia ,she lost her older Brother in the war. Married my Great-great Grandfather, who was a Capitan in the 1st Iowa cavalry . My Grandma told stories of how they used to disagree about the war. Lucy, hope you are feeling better soon. Romeen,Glad you are getting a new pal,I can't imagine life without a dog. Big Jerry, you go to way too much trouble cooking such a breakfast,Thanks. Homemaker take along some good music or a book on tape,it might help you to enjoy all the driving,I'm a Bit of a Hermit and just can't imagine all that driving. Tom ,drink a lot of water and try to stay cool. Dr P
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55202: Boy, stay away a few days & got lots of reading to do in order to catch up! Guess that will teach me, huh? Here goes:
Romeena HURRAY!! I am so glad to hear you are getting a new furkid! You need one!
Lucy So sorry to hear you are ailing, hope you get to feeling better soon, and, I LOVE married life!! Now THAT is something I never thought I would hear coming out of my mouth!
Tom You are welcome for the gum wrappers, hope it gave you something to do when it was raining & you couldn't go out.
Possum I am so sorry to hear all that you are going through, still! I was hoping, since you hadn't mentioned it in a while that things had worked themselves out. Feel free to email me if you need to talk angmobilegroomin@aol.com remember? I'm one of those "bad" sisters too. Maybe we can start a club. teehee
Boo I ain't getting into a Pit Bull moulage, been there, done that. All I'm gonna say is if folks would start banning people instead of dogs, we'd all be much better off!
Best get off here & get dressed, I'm heading downtown for Food City Family Race Night to volunteer at the Organ Donation booth. The race is in town this week & this town is packed plum full of people!
Talk to you folks soon!
*Mavis
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55203: Het,Possum sorry to hear of you family trouble,I know where you are coming fron I have a brother who is a pain ,we haven't spoken in 3 years and I have found that its made life a lot less stressful and alot more peaceful. Dr P
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55204: Should say Hey Possum Sorry need to proof read. Mavis , agree with you about people banning. Dr P
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55205: Hey everyone. ROMEENA: Don't you go feel guilty about getting that puppy. What you are doing is neither illegal or immoral. While rescuing an animal from a shelter is wonderful, as you point out sometimes its just not a great fit. The important thing is you will create a loving home for one of God's creatures.

MAVIS: No leg of lambs flying yet, huh?

Y'all have a great evening.

Me-They
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55206: Hey Mavis, sorry I can't join your club, but I'm one of the "good" sisters...Of course if you should decide to start a "bad daughter" club, I can join. heehee

Romeena, I am so happy about Starr! I want to meet her someday like I did Sugarplum. Maybe we can meet in Fredricksburg again in December of 2008, when she is old enough to travel well. By the way, I don't think you are doing anything wrong by going to a breeder. Any pup this is born into this world is worthy of and needs love and a good home, whether they be in a shelter or not. Starr is going to be one lucky pup to have you as her new mom, that's for sure.

Interesting about your great grandparents, Dr P. Wish I knew more about mine. My relatives aren't all from the south, either. The only thing I do know is that my mom's great grandmother, who was caucasion, married a black slave. That's the only historical thing I have heard about my family that dates back as far as the civil war times.

Sorry about your family struggles, Possum. I know it really hurts. I have experienced that sort of thing with parents before and you feel beyond helpless. Prayers for you. Keep doing the right thing and pray for your mom and sister so that you won't let bitterness take hold of you. Give it to the Lord and see what happens.

Whew, it sure is hot here but at least I have more than a box fan. Poor Tom!

Boo
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55207:
"That's it; we've got to get Gomer a girl."
After all the heavy history discussions, maybe we need us a good quote-a-thon. haha
Possum- sounds like you stll have your "war between the states." My prayers for you and yours.
Family!..ugh!! (:
APB for DIXIE, KY GIRL, MAYBERRY DEPUTY AND OTHERS.
Mavis-Sounds like the honeymoon is still going on! That's great. Mine has lasted 31 years, tho I have spent many a night in the doghouse! (:
And I admit, most of the time it has been my own (concrete device to hold back river water) fault! ha
Let's all head to Mavis' house for the big race!
HomeMaker- are ya still on the good side of the computer guy at school? Hang in there.
So hot here that the bird's deposits are dryin' up on the way down! ha
Seriously, prayers for all those with this bad waether, especially Mexico right now.
Rev- have a good concert.
Spot is fixin' dinner.
MDC


August 23, 2007 - Msg 55208: "I gotta girl, all God's children gotta girl."

M-T
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55209: Hey porch friends! We got back from the beach, and I have just slept a lot. Missed you guys. Nice to see so much lively conversation going on between rocking. I need to read up on what everybody's been doing.
Supper on me....I'll bring a picnic.....fried chicken, tater salad, homemade pickles, apple pie and watermelon. Y'all eat up!
More later...
Millie
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55210:
Romeena-Dang it! Just enjoy that new puppy! You have no reason to feel guilty. My goodness!

Me-They I have to agree with you, again. That's kinda what I meant about the economics being secondary. Just on the face of it, it was wrong, with plenty of blame to go around.

Millie-Great to see ya! And that meal sound wonderful.

P-H I love that web site you posted. I've been playing around there like a kid in a candy shop.

Dr. P-That's an interesting story about your G-G-Grandmother and father. I just love genealogy.

MDC-You folks out of the triple digits?

Hey to Mavis, possum, Lucy, and Big Jerry.

auh2o

"You know Andy I thought it would never come to this. Mayberry, gateway to danger."
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55211: Hey Millie!! Good to hear from you and hope you have a good evening.

Auh2o, did you ever get a chance to do a search on death masks?? I hate to sound morbid, but I found it very interesting to research.

Something really funny happened to Sean today at school during recess. To him, it wasn't so funny but when he told me, there was no possible way I could NOT laugh. He was on the swing set and decided to impress the other kids by doing a backwards flip out of the swing. Well, he is not as little as he used to be and his pants got caught on the chain on one side and, rip!! He tore the whole side of his pants open. He said he was lying in the dirt under the swing while his pants were still stuck in the chain so that his head was on the ground but his backside was still hanging in the air with his underwear showing! He said he heard one of the girls scream and heard the teacher yell, "Cover your eyes, girls!". Such a funny picture! Poor kid's white underwear were on display for everyone to see and he had to walk to the office that way to call me to bring him a new pair. He said everyone there laughed their head's off. I felt terrible for laughing when he told me the story but I told him I was sorry but, honestly, I just couldn't help it. It's always something with that child. On the first day of school he was mortified because he accidentally "passed gas" in class and everyone heard and laughed hysterically, of course. I remember the days when that wouldn't have bothered him a bit but now he doesn't like to be laughed at. I have a feeling he had better get used to it, though!

Well, I have the mother of all headaches and am babysitting one of my neices who is a very loud child, for some reason....pass the excedrin, please....or maybe some Lortab...or some squeezins...pass the squeezins...

Boo
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55212:
See, now I know why my mom always told me to wear clean underwear!! haha, That IS funny! "the exalted shall be humbled." to paraphrase.
MIL- glad you had a good time! God bless ya.
AUh20- Actually we HAVE run out of digits. In this streak of 28 days over 110, we have had one day of every ending number-- 111, 112 etc! I think I mentioned the day it was 119.
Well, if the pioneers did it, i can too.
Prayers for you all. Pass boo the jug.
MDC


August 23, 2007 - Msg 55213: Wow, MDC! I remember a few summers ago when it got into the 110's here for a 10 days, I think, and I thought I was going to fall down and die somewhere. I'll never forget it! How do you tolerate that kind of heat every summer?? You must be pretty tough....must be the blood of those ancestors of your's who rolled up in wet sheets and slept on the porch...

Thanks for the jug...(hic!)

Boo
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55214: possum under the rock, sorry to hear about your family troubles. Here's a hug for you .... (((((possum under a rock))))).

Tom, so sorry to hear you only have a small box fan to escape the heat. Find out what places that are designated cooling shelters where you can go to in case the heat increases. One place you can try is the library.

Good to see Millie return in high spirits.

MDC posted in Msg 55207 "After all the heavy history discussions, maybe we need us a good quote-a-thon. haha".
Well here is my contribution combining both subjects:
(Barney) “Emancipation proclamation was a proclamation, is what it was”
(Andy) What was it about?
(Barney) “It was about Emancipation! What do you think it was about? Use your head man! Its common knowledge. There was these folks. And how else was they gonna get themselves emancipated, unless there was a proclamation. So they got themselves a proclamation, and they called it The Emancipation Proclamation. I’m surprised at you for not knowing that Andy! And I’ll tell you something else. I’m even more surprised that you think I don’t know about the Emancipation Proclamation”
I thoroughly enjoyed the history discussion and thank all who participated. It was a pleasure to discuss a controversial subject without having to resort to improprieties.

auh2o Msg 55210, isn't it wonderful discovering interesting information that is available on the internet? I bet you could home school children using the internet. I'm using it to refresh much of the information I have forgotten.

from Poor Horatio
August 23, 2007 - Msg 55215:
Howdy porch family....Boy I had a suprise today. My daughter called and asked if my wife and I could come up to her college apartment. She wanted to cook dinner for us tonight. Of course I drop everything and headed that way. She really put on a feast for us. It really made her mom and I feel so good knowing that she would do that for us. I know a lot of those kids at the university really have nothing to do with their parents. I'm so blessed. (Yes...I'm a proud dad!)

Ro....Good to see you. So glad you are getting Starr. Looking forward to seeing a pic.

Boo...Sorry to hear about your sister's friend.

Possum...prayers for all the needs that you mentioned.

MDC...."bird's deposits drying on the way down"....now that's HOT.

Hello Millie....Glad you got some rest on your trip.

Now Boo....you should be ashame for laughing at poor Sean.......hehe....oopps, it slipped.

Mavis...have fun with all those race fans in your town this week.

Spot....where you at today buddy? Must be having a busy one.

Well better get ready for bed. You all have a blessed night and remember that greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world! Praying for everyone of you.
-REV.
August 24, 2007 - Msg 55216: Morning all.
Hey Rev, I know what you mean about having your adult children still loving you and wanting to do things for you. I am greatly blessed in that regard. Both my Daughters are just so durn sweet to me and my wife. They are both in their young 20's and plenty busy but love to spend time with us. It's a great feeling.

Romeena, I am much looking forward to seeing some pics of Starr, as is my Barney. I am so happy you are getting another furkid. You are a special Lady.

Possum, I am sorry to read that about your sister and Mom acting up again. Them darn drugs can really mess up your mind. I do pray for healing in your family.

Prayers for all else who need em. I know there are many. Gotta get to work.

Asa
August 24, 2007 - Msg 55217: Good monring everyone. It finally stopped raining, but with this humidity it might as well be--either way you get wet.

HORATIO: The internet indeed is full of wonderful and fascinating information. However, I know firsthand that there's a whole lot of bad history floating out there. Unfortunately, through History Day events, essay contests, and the like, we frequently see students who have taken all their information--good, bad, and ugly--from the net. They just don't get it that just because it's posted on the internet doesn't make it necessarily true. Wikipedia is a good casual resource, but not a great academic one.

BOO: That's terrible, and darned funny, about Sean's pants! The difference will be if these are kids who will continue to tease and taunt, laugh at Sean, or are they the type to laugh with Sean. You might advise him that people who can't laugh at themselves sometimes can be like chum in the water of a class full of pirahna. Kids seem to pick at those who it gets to most. Anyway, that's my two-cents. Sean sounds like a fun kid.

Well, prayers and Pop Tarts all around.

Me-They
August 24, 2007 - Msg 55218: "(Hic!) The boys said it was just mulberry squeezins"

M-T
August 24, 2007 - Msg 55219: Morning porch folks, been busy this week and not much time to stop by. It is good to see everyone. Thanks for the prayers for my cousin in Michigan (the one who had the liver transplant). Hopefully she will be going home soon but has a long road to face. She is up and around some and eating food, still on dialysis 3 x per week but maybe that will not be forever. Continue to remember her, her name is Joy. Continues to be HOT her as is everywhere. We are in desperate need of rain. NASCAR is in Bristol this weekend as is our local Applachian Fair. Such going's on. I am happy you found another special friend Romeena. Prayers for you, Millie, Possum as well as everyone else. Lunch will be: grilled burgers with all the trimings, chips, pickles and raseberry leomonade to drink. Fudgecicles for dessert. Thanks for the Pop Tarts M-T. Hey to ASA, Boo, Rev, Mavis, Possum, auh20, Millie, Romeena. Dr. P, Big Jerry and everyone else I can't see around the porch. Have a blessed day. Big Maude
August 24, 2007 - Msg 55220: Glad that your cousin is doing okay after surgery, MAUDE. Continued prayers for sure.

M-T
"That's one subject you can't talk enough about: sin."
August 24, 2007 - Msg 55221: Hello,everyone, Rainy day here, again,3.5 inches in 36 hours. It's cooler though. Millie, glad you had a good time. Me-They , watch those mulberry squeezins,they'll go right to your head. Big Maude and Mavis , I bet Bristol gets pretty wild on Nascar weekends. Rev and Asa aren't thoughtful grown children great, my 2 sons are very considerate. MDC, you are right about the pioneers,think of the clothing they wore in that heat and what about no window screens to keep out the bugs. Boo,poor Sean I'm sure he was mortified,but it is a funny situation Everyone take care and have a safe weekend PEACE Dr P
August 24, 2007 - Msg 55222: "And get that gun out of your mouth!"

M-T
August 24, 2007 - Msg 55223:
Hi there honeys aand dears.
Rev-that is very cool about the kids, thanks for sharing.
Here is a good one for you all--As many of you know, I also post at a site where we discuss all the old westerns, like the Rifleman, which is my all time favorite. Well recently a guy posted and signed as 'AZ Bruce'. We emailed and found out that we live about 3 blocks apart, and he is going thru same with his folks as i am! Pretty amazing from all the millions of sites out there!
-Big maude- with a name like JOY.. well, I'll be prayin'. (: Enjoy the full weekend.
How hot is it?:
It's so hot that camels wont even come here.
It's so hot that new oven sales are down 1000 %.
It's so hot that some crazed lizards jumped the Gieco gecko for that english muffin. haha
Dr. P- I forget, what end of the porch you are on?
prayers for all,
MDC
Gomer-My cousin may be ugly, but he aint stew-pid


August 24, 2007 - Msg 55224: Boo, if Sean gets too embarrassed about his little incident, you can tell him what happened to my David when he was about 19. He was throwing an early morning paper route, and it was late August, terribly hot even before dawn. He was running late, had just pulled on a pair of bike shorts, no underwear, no shirt. He was throwing the very end of the route, in an apartment complex and ran short by one paper. Rather than going back to the drop site for one paper, he left his Jeep parked near the apartment that needed a paper, grabbed a quarter from his stash in the ashtray and sprinted over to a nearby news box to just buy one. He dropped in his quarter, opened the box and removed a paper, and closed the box. Oops. The box locked on the leg of his shorts somehow and wouldn't let go. The material was like steel fiber. He couldn't tear it, had nothing to cut it, and while he did have more quarters, they were in his Jeep about fifty feet away. The sun was coming up and it was getting light out.

He had no choice. He shucked the shorts, ran for his jeep, drove it back to the news box, used another quarter to free his shorts, yanked them on as quickly as possible and roared away. Since the police patrol those particular apartments frequently, he felt very fortunate to have escaped. Can't you imagine trying to explain to an officer why you are running across an apartment parking lot, stark bare, and without even any more newspapers in your car to verify your identity? He, and we, have laughed about that story for years. There are several paper route stories, but that's one of my favorites.

Going home tomorrow. Empty house, Plum's toys everywhere, her little beds in each room, her crate, her bowl, even her hair shed on the bed - it's going to be very hard. I guess I'll get past it, but am not looking forward to being there without her. Nothing there now but that little mound outside my window. Good Lord, please help me.

--Romeena
August 24, 2007 - Msg 55225: MDC I'm on the Iowa end of the porch. Romeena, I know it will be hard,be strong ,know she is in a better place.Think of the sweet good memories and hold on to thoughts of Starr coming soon. Dr P
August 24, 2007 - Msg 55226: Hello all on the porch, As you know i do all handyman work in this here town.. Ifn anyone needs me just look for my truck parked under a shady tree. BTW, Come on over to Miss Crumps if you want to talk all about that (UN)Civil war.

Bless you all.
Mr Wheeler.
August 24, 2007 - Msg 55227: auh2o,Me-They-Poor Horatio and anyone else interested, Have you seen the promos on PBS for the new Ken Burns documintry on World War II,it is a 7 part mini series,starting Sept. 23rd . I loved his Civil War Series. i bet the new one will be interesting. Dr P
August 24, 2007 - Msg 55228: Dr. P - I heard there was some controversy over the making of the recent Ken Burns documentary. I don't really remember all of the controversy but of course it was politically motivated to be politically correct for today's society. Let's not tell the truth - it might hurt someone's feelings!

Romeena - I had my Bandit's bed for six months before I could bear to part with it. It has been over a year and a half and I miss my little guy. I know he is running in heaven with Plum. We have not gotten any new dogs - although I am ready for one, we aren't going to
get one until we get our new place. That way - he will have only one home to get accustomed too.
I know Starr will have a big place in your heart just like Plum.

I have one of those summer head colds so I am going to go get some Benadryl and head for bed.

homemaker