September 26, 2006 - Msg 45817: Aarrgghh. Misspelling in my Msg 45816.
Deuteronomy 21 mentions that any man who has a stubborn and rebellious son must stone his son to death. Try using this as a defense in a court of law and see how far you will get. ;)

from Poor Horatio
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45818: Hi all,thought i would check in before i go to bed.Goober,congratulations on the goobette!Not much longer to wait now.Boo,on what you said about letting kids read at thier own pace,I completely agree,that has been our experience with reading also.My 10 year old daughter really just started reading last year,and,she is reading from the bible well also.I praise the lord for that,she had a special reading class at school last year that helped her 100 percent.In fact,if she hadn't learned to read so well last year,I wouldn't be able to do all the reading lessons we are doing in homeschooling this year.the teacher she had,used the approach of,slow and steady,and,used what she was interested in.I had tried,but,without much success,another teacher had tried,and,she didn't learn very much ,but,this one she had last year specialized in my daughters type of problem,and,it helped alot.Lucy,so glad to hear he is going to have a male counselor,I hope it works out well for you.Well,prayers for everyone.oh,Goober,I forgot to ask,what is the name of the show you are doing,and,where is it at in dayton,I might be able to go to it,i'm in PA,but,not far from ohio,night everyone-ky girl
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45819: Morning dears, at work as usual and getting the day started. cool this morning, around 50 degress. Gas is down to $2.16 yeah!! staying busy as usual, Lucy, I am not tired of my job, just not getting enough rest I guess. Thanks for fixing the porch, Floyd. You guys have a great day and act like somebody. Big Maude
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45820: Now PH, surely you realize that I don't advocate abuse or murder? I just think that alot of parents these days may not realize the importance of teaching respect to their children, not just for parents and authorities, but for each other and themselves. Let me share a scripture with you from the New Testament that you might be interested in: These are the words of Paul to Timothy: "There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lover's of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, sladerous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God- having a form of godliness but denying his power.." 2 Timothy 3:1-5

Gotta go get the kids off to school!

Hey KYGirl, glad your daughter had a good experience learning to read.

Boo
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45821: Good Morning..

Hope everyone has a great day. We had See you at the Pole this morning.. Very moving..I was in tears.
Boo: We just spoke of that verse Sunday. It sounds like my oldest sometimes..We are all like that at times though.

Great day to all..
Idelle
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45822: Your post kinda made me laugh, Boo. "There will be terrible times...etc.! ...Gotta get the kids off to school!" :D
That's a good scripture to quote though because it is so relevant today. You see all that stuff happening, in massive amounts.

Glad your test went well, MDC. I imagine you passed with flying colors.

Hey Lucy, yes Kai is an only child, so she gets a little spoiled by everyone, including us. But she minds her manners doesn't get too full of herself, we make sure of that. Nope, gotta bring that youngin up right!
The van we bought btw, is a Oldsmobile Silhouette(not sure if that is spelled right). It's a '96, but it only had 60,000 miles on it. The dealer said that the reason it had low miles was that it was driven by a couple in their 80's. Yeah, I know. I thought of that episode where Barney buys his first car from that "sweet" old lady too. ;) But after test-driving it a couple times it sure ran like it was driven by an old couple - it will only go if you drive 15 miles under the speed limit, and the steering wheel is high so you have to look through it to drive, but other than that.... ;) jk. No, it really drove and sounded almost like a new car.

Well, better go. Have a good day everyone!

-Sterling Holobyte
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45823: Good morning, all. Just got home from work. Short nap is planned, then have to get up to attend a funeral. One of my co-workers, a nurse I've known for 27 years, lost her husband this past week. Very sad.

Poor Horatio, to address a couple of the very valid questions you raised: As for turning the other cheek, I've always understood that one to refer primarily to interpersonal relationships. If someone treats you unkindly, you treat them kindly and "thereby heap coals of fire upon their head." The admonition is intended to squelch bickering and quarreling in families and between neighbors, and within churches. It should promote loving spirits and gentle behavior. I do not take this to mean that a nation should roll over and play dead when attacked by another nation. If we had tried that back at Pearl Harbor, we'd all be speaking Japanese now. I do not think it meant that if a mugger attacks me, I should smile and speak kind words. You can bet he's gonna get a finger in his eye if I can manage it. Nor do I think it meant that a parent should just meekly put up with outrageous behavior from a smart-aleck kid. That does the kid no good at all, doesn't prepare him or her for what the world is going to dish out when they're out on their own.
When my husband confronted my son, he did so with the experience of all 15 years of the boy's life behind him. He knew his son. He knew that his own towering presence would remind the boy that he wasn't quite yet a man, and that the basic respect that had been instilled would come forth. The boy would not have challenged his father, and my husband knew it. It worked.
With a child who does not have that ingrained respect, it's another story. The father may have to resort to the physical. I don't mean beating the kid, of course. He may have to physically remove him from the scene, though, perhaps lock him in his room until he cools off. The point is, the kid has to be stopped before the behavior escalates to a point of no return.

As for the instructions God gave to the Israelites, He was talking to different people, in a different time, in a different situation. The foundation for that nation was being laid at that time, and I believe God was trying to clear out any behaviors that would be detrimental to their development. Respect for God and His authority runs very close to respect for parents. A child who has no respect for his parents will have none for God, either. I think God had some points He had to put over at that time. And as always, His ways are often mysterious to us, but I've learned so well that He has his reasons.

Well, that's enough for now. Sorry for the length. Sugarplum says 10-4. --Romeena
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45824: Ha! Did you have Gomer check the engine for sawdust, Sterling? We always buy used cars and have had some really good luck and were able to pay them off fairly speedily. Right now both of ours are payed for, which is really nice. I really don't care if a car is brand new or not, just that it gets me where I'm going. The next one will get better gas mileage, though! The car I drive now is a 1999 Suburban (the last model that was really big) and it has 130,000 miles on it. It costs way too much to fill it up. I bought that huge thing because we take so many trips with the folks and in-laws and like to travel all together in one car. Well, I have gotten over that! I'm all for splitting everyone up now so I can afford the gas to get around everyday. Next time it will be an economical used van. I think one like Me-They bought (It's a Toyota).

Yes, that verse of scripture says alot about how things are these days in America. As I read it, I notice some things in it that remind me of my own kids, like the "ungrateful" part. I am trying to teach them on that one but i don't seem to be getting through. Any advice from the other parents out there??

Boo


September 27, 2006 - Msg 45825: Hi there Romeena, prayers for your friend today. May the Lord comfort her in the days ahead.

Boo
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45826: Boo..only advice I can give is to be a constant positive example to them. They see what we do and how we act. They are like little sponges and absorb it all up.
My daughter resembles the part of self control (or lack thereof), disobedient to parents. We'll get there one day..just takes perserverance and lots of faith on our part.

Idelle
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45827: Good advice Idelle! If I stop to evaluate my own behavior I recognize that I complain too much in front of the kids, which could teach them to be ungrateful. I need to work on having a positive attitude of thanksgiving even when things aren't going the way I want them to.

Boo
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45828: Mornin' Porch,
My this porch has been busy this mornin'.
Boo- I like the verse you wrote earlier. I haven't heard that, but that not only sounds like our children, but everyone else in America. Maybe that's why the Easterner's don't like us! As far as teaching children how to grateful is something that I've struggled with all 3 kids. Michaela's more grateful than the boys though. I have considered taking them to a children's hospital or soup kitchen. Maybe if they see kids don't have it as well as they do they would be more grateful. What do you think?
Sterling- Until recently Bryson was an only child. He is always complimented on his manners. He, too, has been spoiled. My Mother always said I was spoiled, but in a good way. She was right. I had everything I could ever want materialistically because they are wealthy, but I didn't boast about everything. The reason I asked about the van is because we have a 96 Dodge Grand Caravan which now has 155k miles and it has been nothing, but trouble. Our 96 Nissan Altima, which has 165k miles, is just now starting to have a few issues such as broken axles and the speed sensor. I love that Barney episode!
Idelle- What is See you at the Pole?
Romeena- Bless your friends heart. I'll pray that she has peace. You're a good lady, Miss Ro.
KyGirl- Its good that you're coming back more often. Bryson has dyslexia and I homeschooled him until 2nd grade when I realized I couldn't teach him to read. I'm looking for a school that he can only take language arts and then I teach him everything else. My neice goes to that in Mansfield, Ohio. I miss him being home. Then again, each morning that I drop Nick off at his school I thank God for my time alone!
Well, friends, I need to make some phone calls and clean my bathroom. Where's Malcolm when ya need him?
Blessings to you and yours,
~Lucy Matthews
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45829: Good morning everyone! Yet another beautiful day here in Maryland. It almost makes you forget that we get the sweltering heat and humidity of the South in the summer, and the bitter cold and snow of the North in the winter. Almost.

Thanks for fixing the porch, FLOYD. Once again, you’re our hero.

MDC: Some widows mite, but some mite not . Hardy har-har.

STERLING: We love our Toyota.

I heard this morning that the new cars on the U.S. market today on avaerage get worse gas mileage than the Model-T did (which was 25 mpg). We've come a long way in our weening off fossil fuels, yeah boy.

BOO: You are a troublemaker, ain’t ya?

There was an article at Slate about the homework thing that cited that author and several others who have come to similar conclusions. I forwarded it to Nora’s teacher. She’s on the same page. That’s another thing I like about her school; teachers have the latitude to make those kinds of decisions. (The exception is that on Wednesdays teachers may not give homework. The church at the school sponsors an Awana troop on that night and the children are encouraged to participate in that. Some do, some don’t.) The son of a friend of mine is in sixth grade and the school requires that students are given 10-15 minutes of homework in each class every evening. That’s ridiculous. I’m sure in some cases they are given work just for work’s sake. The result is that the kid is learning to hate school as drudgery.

Well, LUCY, I did do some research into your question but since I couldn’t post it yesterday all I can say now is, what HORATIO said. Only he said it better. There are a couple of different views on tithing, so it’s not as “cut and dried” a subject as some might assume. Check out John MacArthur’s view at http://gty.org/resources.php?section=issues&aid=176379. It makes good sense to me.

As far as discipline goes, I agree that a parent shouldn’t threaten anything they are not willing to actually do. When you say something will happen, it’d better happen. Just not following through once will give a child the feeling that they have a shot the next time. As for us, we reserve spanking for willful defiance and disobedience. That’s it. Other wrongs can be set straight by discussion, time-outs, withholding rewards, or whatnot. I believe that spankings should be rare and the end of the line, discipline-wise.

That said, no one should ever strike a child in anger or to inflict harm or pain beyond temporary discomfort. Fear should never be confused with respect. I agree with the way ROMEENA’s husband handled things; all things must be honored in proper priority: God, spouse, then children. I believe that the best way to teach love, respect and honor to children is for the parents to exemplify them to each other.

First CHARLOTTE went missing, then ASA, now SPOT hasn’t check in lately. What is this, the Krenshaw place?

See ya’ll at lunch.

Me-They
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45830: That box above after my message gto MDC shoudl ahve been a smiley. I don't know what happened. the Count?

Hey to IDELLE. Glad to see you're not staying away.

Me-They
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45831: And where is AUH2O? He can't be snowed in already.

M-T
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45832: ME They,I think spots fishing.i don't know about charlotte,or asa.Hope they check in soon.Well,gotta go do some schoolwork,talk to ya'll later-ky girl
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45833: ASA where in tarnation are you??!!

10 to 15 minutes of homework in every subject, Me-They? I don't even understand that. Why should the school think they have the right to infringe on that amount of the family's time? With homework and extra-curricular activities (that I think have gone crazy since I was a kid), where is the time for families to spend quality time together? There are important life lessons that can only be learned by spending time together with parents, not just what can be learned in a schoolbook. The whole thing makes me furious! Right now I am struggling with this kind of thing with my kids. They don't have homework every day but Sean has to work so hard to get all of his goals met that he comes home, eats something and wants to shower and go to bed everynight by 6 or 7pm. I know it has to do with the meds he is on and just the level of concentration it takes for him to meet his goals at school, but it seems like he has nothing else in his life sometimes because he is just too tired after school. I am trying to figure out what to do about it.

Lucy, that might be a good idea to maybe include the kids in some volunteer work for the needy. When I was homeschooling Sean, I used to volunteer to make soup for the Salvation Army Canteen and I would take Sean with me. It had a very positive affect on him and he became very concerned for the homeless....just a thought..you never know what it might do for your children's attitude. I have been trying to teach my kids about missions and the suffering of others in the world and showing them some countries and pictures on the internet. We are also collecting money for a missionary in India. Each morning before school, we pray for missionaries (Erin never lets us forget! ha) and I am hoping just the routine will remind them of how they have been blessed. I am also considering having a rice supper soon because of Sean's picky eating habits and the constant whining about, "We don't have anything to eat!". Brother!...I remember doing the same thing to my mom when I was his age, the only difference is that my poor mother would go to the kitchen and make me something else (talk about spoiled) and I tell Sean, "There is plenty to eat if you look for it", and he has to find it himself. I have learned, though, that lectures about starving people don't seem to help much. You have to do something practical.

Boo
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45834: Hi..dont have much time..

Lucy: See you at the Pole is when parents, students, faculty, etc gather around the flag poles at school (Public school) in the morning before school starts. They raise the flags, then have a word of devotions and reading from the Bible, Pledge of Allegiance and prayer time..for our schools, students, country, etc. It was my first year.. very moving!

me-they..yea, I'll pop in every now and then..I stay so busy!

Idelle
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45835: Oh..Lucy..I think it is just once a year that takes place. I would love to do it daily though..

Idelle
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45836: Unfortunately, society has come to believe that public schools are responsible for taking care of children from the womb through graduation; they are responisble for providing daycare and babysitting services, after-school care, nutritious breakfasts, instilling social skills, values education, et al. Frankly, I have great problems with our public educational system. The biggest problem, though, is us; our expectations for the state to be responsible for our kids. It's a shame that the only way some kids can get breakfast or not be home alone is for the schools to pick up the slack. Educators certainly are caught between a rock and a hard place. One time a day, parents were responsible for the behavior and welfare of their children, but no more. Now, when there's a problem at school it's the school's fault. Sadly, it won't change until we do. People like me complain a lot about schools but in a country like ours, we are the schools.

IDELLE: That's the kind of "extra-curricular" activities I like to hear about!

BOO: Great lesson for your kids. My wife's brother-in-law, neice and nephew just returned from a mission trip to Romania. They visited five very poor villages there. It definitely had an effect on them to see how so many children in the world live.

KYGIRL: Are thee a teacher or pupil?

Me-They
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45837: See, there you go BOO getting me started like that...

M-T
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45838: What a wonderful idea, to get the kids involved in a project to help the needy. The project could be tailored to fit each dhild's particular problematic area. Like Boo said, a picky eater could be involved in feeding the truly hungry. An unruly, disrespectful child might be given an oportunity to see how difficult life is for some children - at a shelter, perhaps - and maybe (big maybe) they'll realize that they don't have it so bad. It's hard to say.
Regarding discipline, these days I feel like we might have been too quick to use physical discipline on our kids, but that was the way things were done then. Remember, my youngest is 37. Certainly I got my hide tanned often enough as a child - deserved it, too, I was a smart-mouth terror, and my daddy didn't let me get away with it very often. A spanking was always followed with a time of discussion and hugs all around after my tears dried up. We did the same with our kids. I don't think they were "marked" or damaged, and they all loved their dad and grieved bitterly when he passed. They now treat me with respect and love, and are good people, adults whom I both love and like, and they like themselves. That's so important. That's what I fear in Nick's situation, that he will someday look back and deeply regret the way he is treating Lucy today. Wouldn't it be better to short-circuit that behavior before it goes any further?

Well, I'm off to that funeral I mentioned earlier. I'm dreading this. New widows break my heart all over again. Sugarplum says 10-4. --Romeena
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45839: ROMEENA: I forgot to extend my sympathy for your loss, as well as your friend's. Shame on me.

I experienced the same discipline that your sons evidently did. It worked for me, too :).

Me-They
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45840: KEEPERS
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>No more phone calls just to chat,
>No more "just one minute."
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>This is true for marriage. And old cars .
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We are all keepers on this porch. . .

homemaker
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45841: Bless you, homemaker. That's absolutely beautiful. Thank you for sharing that gentle reminder. --Romeena
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45842:
Super Homemaker! Thanks, you're a treasura
MeThey- I thought you were calling me a square! ha
Ro- prayers for your coworker and family.
PH- the 'turn the other cheek' is from the sermon on the mount where Jesus was trying to put to rest all those levitical laws. "I came to fulfill the law" says it all. Notice tho that he also said, "I come not to abolish the law and the prophets." A contradiction, no he meant that the Mosaic law, the ten commandments would always be in force. Later on, Paul says in Roman 13, "LOVE fulfills the law!" Jesus as pure love,yes, but also OUR love for another. eg: If I LOVE my neighbor, I am not going to steal from him, etc.
I thought the sawdust was in the transmission? ha
APB for Colt ADF, ASA, Auh2o and others.
Well, have to run some errands and get a few more things done before friday!
God bless ya all.


September 27, 2006 - Msg 45843: Who was that? MDC?
Mil
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45844: Hey porchsters, still hanging in there. Chemo today, so I'm a little under the weather. Making some apple cobbler tonight, with golden raisins and walnuts....Y'all want some? Hep yerself!
Millie
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45845: Sterling, just read your post...I have an Olds Sillouette, too, and I love it. BTW, I was totally against it when hubby talked me into it...It makes my life much easier, taxiing(is that a word?) 4 kids around.
Mil
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45846: anyone here tonite....?
Mil
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45847: Hey Millie, I'll have some of that cobbler. Want me to make a pot of coffee? Wouldn't it be nice if you were nearby and I could bring a pot over and we could sit up and watch old movies together? I miss doing things like that with friends now that I am an old married woman. I was single until age 32 so I had alot of years to hang out with friends (when I wasn't working my b#tt off). There used to be this Denney's place in town that was open all night and we used to hang out and drink coffee until the early morning hours. We solved all the world's problems back then when we thought we knew everything. Nothing like having kids to show you how dumb you really are.

I think I am finally turning the corner on this awful cold/sinus infection. Hooray! Feeling better but still a little way to go. I went to WalMart and did a little grocery shopping and fixed a quick supper (Sloppy Joe's and potato pancakes). I felt pretty exhausted after just doing that. Got a load of laundry going with the kid's school uniforms before I get my shower.

Boo
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45848: Hey Boo! Let's fix some "virtual coffee"....I take mine with cream and 2 sugars, please. Sounds like we are a lot alike. Boy, I sure DO wish you could come over for an old movie, that's just what I need,too.
So so glad you are feeling better. I am planning to cheer myself up with a trip to Sam's club in the morning, if I'm well enough. Off to take a jaccuzzi bath, back in a few. You (or anyone else on the porch) wanna go for a chat later?
Millie
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45849: Homemaker,thank you very much for sharing that with us! I needed to see that.
Love to all.
possum under a rock
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45850: Yes indeed, hm, thanks alot. I've copied it for several folks. You're a blessing.
Mil
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45851: Hey....good old Bogart flick on at 9;30 on TCM..."Sabrina". A great Billy Wilder movie.
Millie
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45852:
Yes Mil, 45842 was me! I was in a hurry to get going and just forgot my handle.

It is funny how we can tell just from one's writing style who it may be! My wife tells me I'm predicable. Is that good or bad? ha
Boo, believe me, 42 aint old!! Funny too, how as we age, the decade before seems "young"!
Hope your infection clears up soon!
I'll have my coffee straight up, thank you.
Did Spot go out on the boat?
Hey to DWF and BWB.
Prayers for all of you!
Mr Darlin's Cuz MDC Signed, sealed and delivered! ha
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45853: Wow, MDC, I must really be a bonafide porchster for getting that. Yes, it is funny how we can recognize each other without names. I think it's because a) we really "listen" to each other, paying close attention , and 2) we are really just being ourselves, and it shines through.
Also, Boo, I turn 44 next week, and I AM a spring chicken! So you can't be old!
Millie
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45854: Funny that you should mention Sam's Millie. Bruce called me from work today and asked if we wanted to renew our Sam's membership. Of course we want to! Can't wait to do some Christmas shopping there. Wish I could watch Sabrina but I am getting kids to bed.


MDC, did I say something about being 42? I am actually 44 and was married at 32. Bruce and I dated since I was 27, though. I had really cold feet back then.

Gotta go get everyone to bed,

Boo
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45855: Boo, I am 44 and married at 32 as well. Spooky, huh? 'Night Boo!
Mil
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45856:
Millie,Boo, wow, that is rare! Both of you 44 and married at 32. Mil, did you have cold feet too! haha
Ya all have a good evening
MDC
"WE WILL NOT SING"
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45857: I remembered that we had alot of things in common, Mil. We both have a son named Sean, too, and daughters the same age.

Boo
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45858: Good Evening Porch,
I agree with you, Me-They, that we put too much value and emphasis on public education. Though my son's are in public schools, they are charter so they are bot a little more "controlled". Their needs are met educationally and lately emotionally. Both boys are seeing the school counselors weekly. I am extremely active in the school. I am a co-room Mom, PTA member, and attend all school functions at Bryson's school. At Nick's, I speak with all of his teacher's and assitant principal at least weekly with conferences sometimes in between. NO ONE else should be raising your kid unless you physically cannot do so.
As far as the discipline issue, my neighbor when I was growing up, told me once I had Bryson that consistency is the key. I firmly believe that. Hubby told me yesterday that I am not to yell or get upset. I'm to always call him after giving Nick 2 warnings if he's not being violent. I did that and when I paged his Dad, Nick said I'm not taking his sh-- and walked out. He wasn't gone but 10 minutes, but I told hubby all about it. Hubby just gave him another lecture and told him that very soon I will not want to pick him up from school and hubby can't so to get it together or he's transferring to the "bad" school. Right now, I think Nick needs a good kick in the pants. As his stepmother, I really can't do anything. His Mom gave him 2 bloody noses and beatings in the head with a belt. I can't add to that. Plus, he's only 4" shorter than me. But, as I said, I've heard consistency is the key.
Millie- Haven't heard from you in awhile. If you didn't check in tonight I was gonna APB you. Are you eating well?
MDC- It is funny how we can tell eachother's posts. Mine are always so long.
Boo- I don't drink coffee. Can I have hot cocoa or Pepsi? We belong to Costco. We used to belong to Sam's, but we like Costco better.
APB for Asa
Gonna hit the ironing board. Y'all have a good night!
Blessings,
~Lucy
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45859: I forgot to tell ya'll something really funny. My 11 year old has a pal at school named Joel, who is 10. Today in the lunch room, Joel said, "Hasn't anyone here ever watched The Andy Griffith Show?!" and of course Sean was the only one of the guys gathered there to say "yes". Joel then said, "Great, come sit down and let's chit-chat...no, I hate chit-chat. I don't mind normal conversation but I hate chit-chat". then he said, "We can go outside and talk but I hate the sun. It gives me the Herpes"! Sean and I laughed our heads off as he was telling me this. He said, "Mom, tomorrow when I see Joel I'm going to yell, citizen's arrest!" and I said, "Why don't you tell him to run up an alley and holler fish?"! I thought it was so funny that a kid that age would be such a fan and that my son would be the only kid around who understood! haha

Boo
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45860: That's great, Boo! Tell Joel and Sean I said "Call the man!".
Mil
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45861: That's hilarious, Boo. I think it's great that Sean was bold enough to admit that he watches TAGS - he could have kept quiet, so as not to risk being teased. What fun! Reminds me of the day at the post office, when I saw a man return to his car, only to find his dog in the driver's seat, paws on the wheel. The man said "Move over, I'm driving!" I laughed, gave the man a thumbs-up, and he said "Oh, you're a fan, too?" Small world.

Lucy, I think your husband is right. No yelling, no threats, just state your case quietly. If after the second repetition, he doesn't comply, then call his dad. That removes you from the situation, and puts his dad in the driver's seat. If Nick continues to rebel, then there will have to be consequences, but he's been warned. I cannot imagine his mother hitting him in the head with a belt, or bloodying his nose, for cryin' out loud! She must really be a piece of work.
This may be academic, but I have to ask. Have you and your husband sat down with Nick in a non-confrontational discussion, acknowledged the rough time he's endured with her, validated his feelings, and explained to him that you want nothing more than to provide a happy and stable home for him? Then of course, you both will pledge to work together to build that home, and he must accept that there will be rules, since he is not an adult and you are. You may be way past this, I'm just wondering.

Well, guess I'll go to bed early tonight. Worked last night, slept a couple of hours when I got home this morning, and been busy ever since. I'm tired! Landscaper friend coming in the morning to expand my patio a bit and re-work some flower beds that have gotten out of control lately, so will be up early.
Sugarplum says 10-4. --Romeena
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45862: Funny, RO! I just love those rare Mayberry moments, and I will tell Sean about "Call the man", Millie.

I made the mistake of drinking a glass of green tea at about 9 and now I am wide awake! Darn it! I sure am feeling alot better, though. I'm glad because it is so hard to keep up with things around here when I'm not feeling well. My sweet husband was wonderful to help the last two weeks. He has done more dishes than he ever did in our entire married life put together, and without being asked. Do you ladies just love that? He has always been a good one but it seems like he is more of a prince with each passing year. I am very thankful to God for his blessings.

Did any of you happen to watch TLC tonight about surgical mistakes? I watched some of it and then wished I hadn't. If you ever see that it's coming on, don't watch it! Very scary. One poor man in his 50's had his most private part cut off by mistake. I felt so sorry for that man. He has suffered terribly. It was like they just hacked it off and didn't even try to sew anything up. Made me really mad that some quack doctor would do something like that to someone. He sued and only got a 50,000 dollar settlement, I think. I'm telling you that if that had happened in the state of Texas that Doctor would be in jail or worse. Forced castration is a capital offense in this state. God bless Texas!

Think I'll try to read a book and get sleepy...

Boo
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45863: That sure was a strange post....I think the green tea is making me weird.

Where in the world is ASA? I am starting to get concerned. I don't think he has ever been away this long. Have you gotten an email, Ro?

Boo....missing the toolbelt....
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45864: Autumn breaks and with it brings,
a myriad of lovely things.
I take long walks in my softest sweater
and joyfully breathe in the crisp, cool weather.

The blue-grey skies and chilly breeze,
autumn fires and turning leaves,
Remind me of a simpler time when I was just a girl,
and everything seemed right and good and safe within the world.
The joy I felt when running home to find my Mamma there, preparing treats in her warm, little kitchen for her family to share.

Then tucked within the warm, soft quilts that grandma's hands had made,
Our tummies were full and our hearts were, too,
as in our beds we lay.
And drifting off to sleep we dreamt our dreams of hope and love,
While God, who made the seasons, smiled down from above.
September 27, 2006 - Msg 45865: re: message 45864....very nice, thanks....whomever you are.
Mil
September 28, 2006 - Msg 45866: APB for Asa. No, I haven't heard from him. Will email again. Lovely poem above. Thanks.
Sugarplum says 10-4, for sure this time. --Romeena
September 28, 2006 - Msg 45867: You're welcome....just a little, "I love you" before going to bed.

Boo
September 28, 2006 - Msg 45868: Good morning everyone. Beautiful day here on this end of the porch. My, weren't we all in pleasant moods last night. BOO, you're staying up much too late!

MILLIE: I pray that you feel better today. May God's peace be with you as you go through such a difficult time.

LUCY: I didn't mean to imply anything derogatory about the academics of public schools. Some are bad, but some are great. Same with private and parochial. I actually feel bad for public school teachers. Like I said, we are the problem.

ROMEENA gave some sage advice about yoru stepson. Just how in the world did you gets so wise, ROMEENA? It's no wonder that your children grew up to be as successful and well-adjusted as they seem to be. You and your husband seem like wise parents. You should start a radio show!

Ina ddition to ASA missing, I add CHARLOTTE, DIXIE, SPOT, BWB, DWF and AUH2O. Do you suppose there's a party that we haven't been invited to? Did somebody black-ball us? Is this anyway to run the Golden Door to Good Felowship?

Well, more in a while; I've got a (yawn) meeting.

Me-They


September 28, 2006 - Msg 45869: Good morning, all. Me-They, I don't know about the "wise" part. I think it's just called age. My beloved and I raised four kids, made some mistakes, did a few things right, and I'm glad it's over! We were not confronted with some of the issues that parents face today, and we didn't have any step-situations to deal with. Still, some principles endure through time and circumstance, and that's what I fall back on. Most of them can be found in the Bible.

My husband often said that he thought it was no accident that God used the parent-child relationship to help us understand our relationship to Him. Certainly, our finite minds cannot truly comprehend Who and What He is, but "father" comes close, I guess. Based on that, my husband's basic philosophy of child-rearing was "I'm larger, more powerful, older and wiser than you, and you will do as I say. If not, I can bring consequences upon you that you won't like. If you behave, you will experience rewards and will stay out of trouble." That may sound a bit hard to the present generation's ears, but if you think about it, that's pretty much what God says to us. To Job, He said, "Where were you when I established the firmament (not verbatim, but close)" That pretty much says "I'm older, wiser and more powerful." In the Ten Commandments, He says "Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God has given thee." That's clearly "behave and you'll reap rewards. Misbehave and there will be consequences." Obedience out of fear? Perhaps, to some extent, but it will do until it's replaced by obedience out of love, and it will be. Also, that's fear in the biblical sense, doesn't mean terror. Yep, I think my husband had it right.
Now, there were admonitions and instructions for parents as well, and the premise breaks down when the parents don't hold up their end, i.e., Nick's mother. Look what a mess she has made. Still, it can be salvaged by the actions of his father and Lucy, and isn't that great? As always, we can depend upon the God of the second chance. If we try to model our behavior as parents on the way God deals with us, we'll fall short of course, but we'll do better than if we try to do it by the ideas put forth by today's permissive society.
Well, that's my two cent's worth. Gotta run, landscaper friend and crew will be here shortly, and we're gonna put in a good day's work. My yard will be beautiful again by evening. Looks a bit shaggy right now. Sugarplum says 10-4. --Romeena
September 28, 2006 - Msg 45870: Hey all - just checking in. My hubby has been off the last few days with a clogged up ear, so I haven't been able to get on the computer for a while.

Reagan and Evie are doing well. Evie is excited since her class is going on two field trips in the next few weeks. One to an apple orchard and another to a pumpkin patch. Reagan is sweet as ever and is sleeping about 5-7 hours a night. Yea!

How's things going in your household, M-T, and did you ever say how big Miss Veda Marie was?

Cool story about Sean and Joel, Boo! That beats everything, don't it!

Well, just thought I'd check in so's you all didn't think I fell off the planet. Prayers for all & God Bless!
AFD
September 28, 2006 - Msg 45871: Hey all...just been busy aroung here at the dog house...hope big maude has been feeding yall ....hey AFD,Rev,TOM,ro,boo,auh20,colt,asa,lucy,mil,me-they,idelle,hm,horatio,possum and all...lunch:ham and cheese sandwiches,chicken noodle soup and milk...well back to bush hogging!...prayers...SPOT
September 28, 2006 - Msg 45872: Your husband definitely was a wise man, ROMEENA. They haven't come up with a better method yet.

Welcome back, SPOT. I have a pile of sticks and stuff that you can take care of when you're finished.

AFD: Things are going well. Veda is sleeping about the same as Reagan. The true test will be this Friday night when the Mrs. returns to work. We've been acclimating her to the bottle this week, and she's doing so-so with it. The other two kids took to it right away, no problem. With the bottle she should (in theory) sleep longer. The Mrs. has been "stockpiling" for several weeks now. Thankfully, she's easing back in into work; one day this week, one day next, then two the following, then back on three. Y'all better say some prayers for me!

The most difficult day will be Tuesday mornings. The Mrs. always works on Monday nights, and Nora and Chad both have school on Tuesdays. So I will have to get all three kids ready to roll. Normally, the most I have to worry about is two. Guess I'll be getting up a little earlier.

It's terrible, but I plum forgot how much she weighed at her doctor visit last week, so I'll have to get back to you on that one. I want to say 15 lbs. but that is probably not right. Anyway, I believe that she was 50% for weight and 95% for height. That seems to be the pattern for the kids. And she's healthy!

BOO: Yet another reason why Sean sounds like a great kid to me. A love for TAGS and clean floors--it brings a tear to my eye. Maybe we're related?

You know, my wife was just rolling her eyes at me the other day when a friend and I were telling her about how I used to want to clean his room whenever I was over his house (it was a wreck). Now, I just try and limit it pillow fluffing when I visit :).

Later.

Me-They
September 28, 2006 - Msg 45873: Do any of you ever get the urge to cut your neighbor's grass or weed their flowerbeds? Not that I ever do. Just checking.

M-T
September 28, 2006 - Msg 45874: You kill me, Me-They! Too funny! Maybe you and Sean are distant relatives or something...at least kindred spirits. He mopped the kitchen for me yesterday and you should have heard him fussing when my dad walked through before it was dry! We watched a kid on a talk show this morning who is 11 and has 127 vacumes. He has been obsessed since age one, so he has Sean beat (Sean was 2 when he first asked for a vacume). To answer your question above, yes. I actually mowed my neighbor's lawn once but I don't seem to get that urge anymore. Sean sometimes cleans his friends rooms. Recently his best friend moved to another house and Sean got to help him clean out his old room. Before we moved from our old neighborhood we had a friend across the street named Michelle and she used to let Sean Vacume for her almost daily. Isn't that awful?? He loved it, though because she had this great Hoover Windtunnel. He isn't into vacumes much anymore, just sweeping and mopping and mowing the lawn...pretty handy to have around. He even washed the dishes for me when I was sick without being asked....following dear Dad's example! Prayers for you, M-T when your wife goes back to work. Hope all goes smoothly. I can give you some advice...try to do as much as you can the night before and it will be much easier...lay out clothes, prepare baby bag, lunches, etc. That's the key because if you don't it seems like something is always missing when you don't have time to look for it (especially shoes)!

Went to bible study this morning and it was awesome...about the three Hebrews in the fiery furnace. What courage and faith they had...may it be said of us.

Better go take a rest. The cold is better but I am fighting off a migraine. Woke up with only half my vision and seeing sparkles (you migraine sufferers know what I mean!).

Boo
September 28, 2006 - Msg 45875: We have a Dyson, BOO ("Because things should work properly"). I have to confess that I don't vacuum or mop much--I just fret about it. For my health though, I try not to fret outloud :). But I do teh dishes two times a day (we don't have a dishwasher). As Barney would say, it's therapetic. Hope you feel better.

Me-They
September 28, 2006 - Msg 45876: Haven't read through all of the posts but wanted to make it three - I am 44 and married at 32! Do I hear a fourth anywhere???

homemaker
September 28, 2006 - Msg 45877: What is a Dyson, Me-T? We don't have a dishwasher here at mom's either so I wash ALOT of dishes but sometimes finding it relaxing.

I took another headache pill and should be good as new soon, thanks.

I am picking up the kids from school and meeting Bruce to do some tractor shopping. We have to get one soon but the kind we need costs 16,000 and upward. We have been holding out for a used one or a good sale but they just never come. We can't wait any longer. Please pray for us to make the right purchase!

Gotta run. You guys are the best.

Boo

Sure do miss Asa, Auh20, Charlotte, Hazel and all the others who have gone missing, lately.
September 28, 2006 - Msg 45878: You, too Homemaker!! Weird....

Boo
September 28, 2006 - Msg 45879: Afternoon porchersters. Hope all is well this Thursday afternoon. It is about 3:15 and we are having a loud thunderstom and it is raining very hard. My office does not have windows but I can hear it pouring on the roof. I am on the second floor of an office building so it sounds like pouring water out of a Bucket. It is supposed to cool down and be in the upper 40's tonight. My partner is off on vacation so other than the clients I have scheduled, it is pretty quite around here. Since Spot hasn't posted the supper menu, how about if we all meet at my house for
fried chicken, mashed potatoes, green beans, SLAW, bicuits with gravy and chocolate cake for dessert. I feel like having comfort food tonight.
Guess I will get busy, lots to do before i leave work and then I gotta get supper ready. see you at 6. Big Maude
September 28, 2006 - Msg 45880: Hey, Boo, can I borrow Sean for about a week? I have five vacuums, he can take his choice. No, I don't collect them, I just have different kinds. One lightweight upright, one rolling canister, one "carry-it" canister, one Hoover, and one Oreck. The Oreck was my favorite - great machine - until I got new carpet and it has a deep, thick pile. The Oreck just isn't designed for that, unfortunately. The big Hoover does a good job, but wears me out. It's heavy! Oh, and does he like to dust? If so, he'll be deliriously happy around here. I haven't dusted in weeks, am thinking of putting in a potato crop on the coffee table, and perhaps corn on the end tables.

Well, gotta run to the bank. I have two dollars, and my yard man is here, so I have to go get some money. My landscaper friend just looked the situation over, made plans, and will return next Wednesday. We sat in the sunroom and ate Subway sandwiches. He's a good friend, and we enjoy each other's company. He's happily married, and his wife has become my friend too, so we can comfortably enjoy good conversations (and even some chit-chat) and have a lot of laughs when he's here working.

Everyone have a good afternoon and evening. Hope it's as pretty where you are as it is here. Temp in the upper 70s, nice breeze, clear skies and pretty sunshine. I love this time of year - almost as much as I love spring. Sugarplum says 10-4. --Romeena
September 28, 2006 - Msg 45881:
Wow HM, do you have a boy named Sean too? haha This is too much.
BOO- your medical mistake post made me squirm in my seat! 50 million would have been a more appropriate settlement! ha
BTW, is Sean pronounced SEEN or Shawn? I ask because we have a weatherman here who says his name is SEEN. Just curious.
Also, maybe the two boys could start a mayberry club with mayberryspeak! It could be a code! ha
AFD=Glad little Reagan is doing well.
Methey, Veda too! Maybe all those folks are at the Golden CORRAL of fellowship having lunch with out us! teehee
Well, ya all have a good day.
MDC
Andy: (paraphrased):Well Ellie, that's why they're called councilMEN. It kinda works out nice that way.